Did John Lennon Become a Born Again Christian

Jan 12, 2007, 08:15 AM

I'm not asking this question considering I'grand trying to starting time some religious debate. I'yard asking because I think this might be a John urban legend and I wanted to ask some knowledgeable Beatle fans nearly information technology.

I am part of a forum that discusses religion and music. On the ceremony of John'due south death a guy posted that John Lennon had become a born-again Christian before he died. He offered two links in back up of this idea:
http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...e12/34.86.html
http://jmm.aaa.net.au/manufactures/13647.htm

I took issue with the guy on a couple of fronts. Kickoff, these ii sites were the but sites I've ever seen the story on. I've never seen information technology on any legit Lennon/Beatles site. 2d, when I finally got ahold of the Lost Lennon Tapes and heard the song "Yous Saved My Soul", it was cypher close to the lyrics quoted in the 2nd link. My advantage for seeking the truth here was a public reaming by the guy.

So... this forum is filled with Beatle fans more than knowledgeable than I. Is there anything to this?

January 12, 2007, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted past acabrera View Post

I really doubt it. I haven�t read annihilation about that. Even in David Sheff�s "All nosotros are saying", his last major interview, he never mentioned anything most it.

I remember him maxim in that interview something about him knowing there's more than out there than we can sympathize, but I think if he was a built-in-once again Christian at that point, he'd have said then.

I have seen a picture of John wearing a cross (I think it was in a book, though I don't retrieve which one correct now), but I don't know if he genuinely believed in it or not.

Jan 12, 2007, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by LovinLennon909 View Post

Anybody's foregetting how prone John was to fad.
If a televangelist did capture John'due south eye, however fleetingly, I call up information technology's totaly inside the realm of possibility that he did, briefly, become a born-again.

Yes, you're correct about the fads.And Lennon was besides somewhat extreme in his positions.It's as if he would get through a fad so equally to be able to debunk information technology with his critical eye.He did this with his first marriage,the Beatles,the Maharishi,Allen Klein, etc.
But he was very aware of his public persona and he never even bothered to bring this non-proven Christain fad into the public domain.
To say something is 'totally within the realm of possibility' does not justify some guy on a Christian site affirming to all and sundry that Lennon was definitely a born once again Christian before he died.To me that smacks of making out that he regretted his past deportment and had finally seen the calorie-free.I don't believe THAT for one minute.

Jan 13, 2007, 12:ten AM

technically i'd say he was, or he always was 1. information technology was during his bed-ins he would say stuff like 'we are all christ, we are all hitler. nosotros want christ to win' and 'christ made miracles to tell his message. the miracle today is communication and then let's employ it.'

he notwithstanding continued to belive that the beatles had more than influence on kids than jesus, which apperently some ministers agreed with. i think he became more than of a firm believer through out the seventy's till his death. i heard he was offerered the part of jesus in a musicle but turned information technology downwardly because yoko couldn't be in it.

January 13, 2007, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted past Serena View Post

technically i'd say he was, or he always was ane. information technology was during his bed-ins he would say stuff like 'we are all christ, nosotros are all hitler. we want christ to win' and 'christ made miracles to tell his bulletin. the miracle today is communication so let's use information technology.'

he however continued to belive that the beatles had more influence on kids than jesus, which apperently some ministers agreed with. i recall he became more of a house believer through out the 70'due south till his expiry. i heard he was offerered the function of jesus in a musicle but turned it down because yoko couldn't be in it.

Technically?
Come on Serena.A born once more Christian tells you that if you don't believe in Jesus then you'll go to hell.
Did Lennon ever say that?
And a Christian would never say that the Beatles were bigger than Jesus.That's blasphemy.

Jan 13, 2007, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Serena View Post

i only say technically because he was a believer in christ and god, but probably not hard core on everything. you can even so be a christian without taking every little belief seriously. i'm not sure if john always labled himself equally a christian, these were but his general thought on christ.

I don't think this is very useful to the guy who asked the question on this topic because you're giving out very disruptive signals hither.
Yous seem to be saying that John was a Christian because he had attitudes more than or less adequate to that religion.
But in his well-nigh famous solo song he says 'Imagine there's no heaven,no hell and no organized religion'.You can't be a Christian and not believe in heaven,hell and organized religion.
If you're a born again Christian yous have a religious duty to say it out loud and catechumen other people.And Lennon never did that.

Jan thirteen, 2007, 07:28 AM

Didn't he call himself "a Christian Communist" in 1969? And after he said he was "the most religious person in that location is". He wasn't Catholic, Protestant or Jehovah'south Wittness but something of his own.

Imagine didn't anyway portray his ideals, he said that of class he wanted to own Yoko and he in a way wanted to have "possession".

Jan 13, 2007, 08:48 AM

I don't believe that John Lennon was a born-again Christian in the fashion that someone involved in the move would define it. He may accept experienced a rebirth of sorts during the "business firm-husband" years, where he became a different type of person; or maybe during the time he was living apart from Yoko; but that is something completely different, and pure speculation on my office.

I tend to remember that the whole story is "wishful thinking" on the function of people who truly savour the music of John and the Beatles, but whose belief system won't allow them to savor something not overtly religious. According to that view, if Lennon became a built-in-over again Christian, then listening to him becomes justified. Simply I didn't want to offset a debate, so you should probably forget that I wrote that :)

Jan 13, 2007, ten:32 AM

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Originally Posted by y2daddy View Post

I don't believe that John Lennon was a born-once more Christian in the way that someone involved in the movement would define it. He may have experienced a rebirth of sorts during the "firm-husband" years, where he became a different blazon of person; or maybe during the time he was living apart from Yoko; but that is something completely different, and pure speculation on my role.

I tend to think that the whole story is "wishful thinking" on the part of people who truly enjoy the music of John and the Beatles, simply whose belief system won't allow them to enjoy something not overtly religious. According to that view, if Lennon became a built-in-again Christian, so listening to him becomes justified. But I didn't want to offset a debate, and then y'all should probably forget that I wrote that :)

I don't seriously host whatsoever "religious belief system" but I think that some people likewise want to prove eagerly that he was an atheist.

Jan thirteen, 2007, 10:45 AM

I certainly do. Beingness open up-minded, actually, I'd effigy him agnostic. Anyways, this is all doubtful.

The thought of John Lennon equally a built-in once again Christian kills a part of me.

Jan 13, 2007, xi:57 AM

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Originally Posted by y2daddy View Post

I tend to think that the whole story is "wishful thinking" on the part of people who truly enjoy the music of John and the Beatles, but whose conventionalities organization won't allow them to enjoy something not overtly religious.

That'southward quite possible.

Just that's no reason for them to take the moral high ground or badmouth anybody.They have no right to foist their beliefs on Lennon'south freedom of thought.

Jan thirteen, 2007, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by SF4-EVER View Post

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I have seen a picture of John wearing a cross (I think information technology was in a book, though I don't recall which one right now), just I don't know if he genuinely believed in it or non.

You are right about the cantankerous, I about forget that. I think he was wearing the NYC T-shirt. Y'all can encounter also the "Libra" symbol in a small aureate plaque.

Jan thirteen, 2007, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted past BeatleGuy View Post

John recorded wrote a scathing parody of Bob Dylan's "Serve Somebody" based on Dylan'due south Born again experience titled "Serve Yourself" in 1979/lxxx. And so that may answer the question.

Yes, but Lennon'south alleged Christianity was earlier than that, in nigh 1976-1977, I believe. His mocking of Gotta Serve Somebody may take been as much an attack on his own cursory brush with Christianity (remember how he e'er later claimed that How Practice You Sleep? was more an assault on himself than Paul- that kind of thing) equally it was an attack on this excellent Dylan vocal.

Jan 12, 2007, 08:15 AM	#1
y2daddy Fool On The Hill Join Date: January 11, 2007 Posts: 11	Did John Lennon get a born again Christian? I'm not asking this question considering I'grand trying to starting time some religious debate. I'yard asking because I think this might be a John urban legend and I wanted to ask some knowledgeable Beatle fans nearly information technology. I am part of a forum that discusses religion and music. On the ceremony of John'due south death a guy posted that John Lennon had become a born-again Christian before he died. He offered two links in back up of this idea: http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/...e12/34.86.html http://jmm.aaa.net.au/manufactures/13647.htm I took issue with the guy on a couple of fronts. Kickoff, these ii sites were the but sites I've ever seen the story on. I've never seen information technology on any legit Lennon/Beatles site. 2d, when I finally got ahold of the Lost Lennon Tapes and heard the song "Yous Saved My Soul", it was cypher close to the lyrics quoted in the 2nd link. My advantage for seeking the truth here was a public reaming by the guy. So... this forum is filled with Beatle fans more than knowledgeable than I. Is there anything to this?

January 12, 2007, 11:53 PM	#7
SF4-EVER Moderator Join Date: May 28, 2001 Location: Chicago Area, IL, United states Posts: 11,969 * Premium Fellow member * * BeatleLinks Donor *	Quote: Originally Posted past acabrera I really doubt it. I haven�t read annihilation about that. Even in David Sheff�s "All nosotros are saying", his last major interview, he never mentioned anything most it. I remember him maxim in that interview something about him knowing there's more than out there than we can sympathize, but I think if he was a built-in-once again Christian at that point, he'd have said then. I have seen a picture of John wearing a cross (I think it was in a book, though I don't retrieve which one correct now), but I don't know if he genuinely believed in it or not. __________________ My Website My Weblog My novella, Lyon's Legacy, about a scientist traveling back to the TwenCen to visit her fictional rock star ancestor, is now available as an eastward-volume from Amazon, B&N, and Smashwords and in paper from CreateSpace and Amazon.

Jan thirteen, 2007, 07:28 AM	#xiii
BadLittleKid Paperback Author Join Engagement: Feb 01, 2006 Location: Thinking of Blinking Posts: ii,859	Didn't he call himself "a Christian Communist" in 1969? And after he said he was "the most religious person in that location is". He wasn't Catholic, Protestant or Jehovah'south Wittness but something of his own. Imagine didn't anyway portray his ideals, he said that of class he wanted to own Yoko and he in a way wanted to have "possession". __________________ Yours fictionally, - Biggles

Jan 13, 2007, ten:32 AM	#15
BadLittleKid Paperback Author Join Engagement: Feb 01, 2006 Location: Thinking of Blinking Posts: ii,859	Quote: Originally Posted by y2daddy I don't believe that John Lennon was a born-once more Christian in the way that someone involved in the movement would define it. He may have experienced a rebirth of sorts during the "firm-husband" years, where he became a different blazon of person; or maybe during the time he was living apart from Yoko; but that is something completely different, and pure speculation on my role. I tend to think that the whole story is "wishful thinking" on the part of people who truly enjoy the music of John and the Beatles, simply whose belief system won't allow them to enjoy something not overtly religious. According to that view, if Lennon became a built-in-again Christian, so listening to him becomes justified. But I didn't want to offset a debate, and then y'all should probably forget that I wrote that :) I don't seriously host whatsoever "religious belief system" but I think that some people likewise want to prove eagerly that he was an atheist. __________________ Yours fictionally, - Biggles

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Jan 13, 2007, 12:ten AM	#9
Serena Moderator Join Engagement: Jun 28, 2004 Location: The upper stages of lower life Posts: 1,465 * Premium Member *	technically i'd say he was, or he always was 1. information technology was during his bed-ins he would say stuff like 'we are all christ, we are all hitler. nosotros want christ to win' and 'christ made miracles to tell his message. the miracle today is communication and then let's employ it.' he notwithstanding continued to belive that the beatles had more than influence on kids than jesus, which apperently some ministers agreed with. i think he became more than of a firm believer through out the seventy's till his death. i heard he was offerered the part of jesus in a musicle but turned information technology downwardly because yoko couldn't be in it.

Jan 13, 2007, 08:48 AM	#fourteen
y2daddy Fool On The Colina Bring together Engagement: Jan 11, 2007 Posts: 11	I don't believe that John Lennon was a born-again Christian in the fashion that someone involved in the move would define it. He may accept experienced a rebirth of sorts during the "business firm-husband" years, where he became a different type of person; or maybe during the time he was living apart from Yoko; but that is something completely different, and pure speculation on my office. I tend to remember that the whole story is "wishful thinking" on the function of people who truly savour the music of John and the Beatles, but whose belief system won't allow them to savor something not overtly religious. According to that view, if Lennon became a built-in-over again Christian, then listening to him becomes justified. Simply I didn't want to offset a debate, so you should probably forget that I wrote that :)

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